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“Being vulgar is progressive, so stop whining and get with the times.”

Written: 2021-10-05
Addition: 2021-10-06
Addition: 2021-10-09
Addition: 2021-10-10
Addition: 2021-11-29
Addition: 2021-12-04
Addition: 2022-03-16
Addition: 2022-07-13

Some people answer criticism of the modern world and its cultural, moral and—especially—sexual decay by saying that “everyone is entitled to his opinion”, “get over the fact that democracy, our god, decided that vulgarity and decadence is good and true and beautiful”. After all, we have free speech, and everyone is allowed to voice his opinion on all kinds of matters. No matter how qualified the person is.

This is basically the Madonna argument (the pop star). Just flash it into our faces, force it down our throats, get rid of even the last ounce of decency left in yourself and double down by calling your opponents reactionary, puritanical (which is certainly better than being a pervert), bigoted or jealous even (how can you be jealous of degeneracy?)

I actually do not have much to reply here. I think everyone who understands that what once was seen as Christian Western civilization is decaying and going downhill very fast now should also understand that this is only because men were too afraid to speak up against vulgarity and degeneracy.

Had so-called conservatives defended our civilization from feminism, pornography, moral relativism—going hand in hand with atheism—, then we would not be in this mess in the first place.

I am, therefore, in complete agreement with Vox Day* here. Free speech was implemented to denigrate Christianity and Christian morality.

It enabled sexual decadence. Debaucherous, vulgar lifestyles are not only pardoned, they are seen as normal today. Women earning more than men by having sex on camera gets respected as a career path among certain people already; men having sexual intercourse with women and then going to the next is no “big deal” anymore. Even when it’s your daughter — who wants to be close-minded? Most likely, their fathers are degenerates too, so why would they care.

One notices that even on the Right, most who are not Christian still accept sexual decadence: fornication, pre-marital sex, even “hook-up” and so on. With such allies, one does not need enemies.

Instead of letting such people sully us and our civilization, why not put them into penitentiaries or force them onto an island somewhere where they cannot do much damage? Because what they want is barbarity.

If they don’t comply, I cannot say that I would shed a tear if someone put them to death.

Remember: no one forces you to hold onto deranged, vulgar opinions. Only your evil heart.


(2021-10-06): [Topic]

To those who claim that I have to endure other peoples’ “opinion”, usually amounting to nothing more than defending vulgarity without thinking even once about it; to those who claim that I have no right to want people to be decent, which would include that they keep their mouths shut instead of making today’s sick and gross culture even worse by defending the filth — then what about this:
if I wrote or talked about how I’d really like to molest children, explaining in detail what I’d do to some poor four-year old child and people should simply “get with the times”, “stop whining” and accept my evil, deranged lifestyle — would this be okay, too? Most likely not, correct, you imbeciles?

Therefore, stop praising sexual promiscuous lifestyles, or do you want your daughter or a female relative to be used like that? I guess I’d even disinherit a son if he lived like some sex-obsessed beast.


(2021-10-09): [Topic]

In the end, it is a might makes right philosophy. If you want to live like that — good luck. The end result would be that the strongest one will dominate or kill everyone else. That people defend such a philosophy … what is there left to say? You cannot even reply anything here. Some people can’t be helped.


(2021-10-10): [Topic]

Great point by Samuel T. Francis:

Francis argued that society must regulate “sexual behavior, consensual or not” whether “through law or through socially enforced moral custom or both.” He condemned “normalized and unrestricted homosexuality” and believed that “a ‘society’ that makes no distinction between sex within marriage and sex outside it, that does not distinguish morally and socially between continence and debauchery, normality and perversion, love and lust, is not really a society but merely the chaos of a perpetual orgy. It is an invitation to just such an orgy that the proponents of normalized and unrestricted homosexuality invite America.
(Samuel T. Francis, “Sex and consequences”, The Washington Times, February 2, 1993.)

He also notes that chain bookstores “offer exactly the same stock in every city in the country, almost none of which would have complied with the conventional and moderate obscenity laws of the 1950s.” (“Beam Us Out”, Chronicles, April 1994).


(2021-11-29): [Topic]

Fitting quote by Wilmot Robertson from The Ethnostate:

Morality vs. Immorality.

One problem with obscenity is the difficulty of pinpointing it. What is obscene to some is perfectly acceptable to others. What offends a woman may not bother a man. Laws against obscenity, which come and go in cycles, vary with time and place. Once the floodgates of obscenity are open, they are hard to close. What occurs, naturally and normally, in a barnyard is obscene in a living room. Barnyard behavior and civilized behavior are at opposite poles. When they begin to converge, it’s back to the barnyard.

A few superior men have raised masses of lesser men to almost superhuman levels. But the strain is so great and the downward pull of our animal nature so strong that decline and degeneration quickly set in. From then on it is a march downhill, punctuated by intermittent eras of partial recovery. Measure the amount of obscenity, both subrosa and acceptable, at any milestone along this march, and you will have a fair idea of the society’s health.

Nearly everyone agrees that children should be protected from obscenity, but many intellectuals of a liberal bent insist that almost no limit should be set on what is seen, heard and read by adults. They reinforce their argument by reminding their critics it takes only minimal effort not to buy or read an “offensive” book, switch off the TV or remove their eyes from erotic or cloacal graffiti. The bitter truth is that huge, salaciously worded newspaper headlines on display in kiosks and sudden off-color intrusions in supposedly innocuous TV programs are visual insults that only the blind can avoid.

One commonly proposed way to regulate obscenity is to apply what are called community standards. But in a multi-racial state there are several communities; hence several standards. When it is a matter of defining the parameters of obscenity, a better and fairer job can be done by those who share a common culture than by a potpourri of heterogeneous groups, which are sure to have contradictory opinions of what does and what does not “go too far.”

The most troubling thing about obscenity is its power to coarsen young minds. The adolescent who views the animalistic cavortings in X-rated films may never have the same opinion of men and women again. He may never be able to believe in Beatrice, if he should read Dante, or relish the prim literary masterpieces of Jane Austen. He has seen men and women acting like beasts. Once shattered, his Panglossian view of his fellow human beings may never be recaptured.

Quite possibly the coarsening effect of obscenity gives an animalistic twist to the human psyche. If it does, then it follows that unlimited freedom of expression may have actually lowered the wattage of the idealism that over millennia has given a radiant glow to human thought. Obscenity is not a black eye that clears up with time. It is a permanent wound. Some may be nonchalant when exposed to it. So-called tough hombres may brush it off. But it leaves a lasting stain. Lurid exhibitions of every form of physical contact between members of the opposite sex, between members of the same sex, between old men and young boys — sexual encounters often spiced with sadism and masochism — have a sharp impact on human sensitivities. The artistic tastes of men and women assaulted by daily or weekly exhibitions of hardcore eroticism cannot help but be corroded. Persons fed highly seasoned food over a period of time find it hard to return to a bland diet. The widespread availability of pornographic films, literature and art tends to make them habit-forming. As we move back or are moved back closer to the ape, the fragile cocoon of civilization may come completely undone. Barely suppressed demons are always ready to fly out of the Pandora’s Box buried in every human being.

By setting high standards of conduct and morality and by outlawing most manifestations of obscenity, high civilizations can delay the moral degeneration that inevitably sets in when the tastemakers let down their guard. As the laws against obscenity fall in abeyance, there will always be some individuals who will push them to their farthest limits, just as the drug addict continually increases his dose to obtain his “high.”

Different races and cultures have different tolerances for obscenity. In a multiracial society, one or more population groups may indulge in what members of other population groups would consider impermissible behavior. Much of black rap is judged obscene by whites fearful of the outright calls for rape and murder contained in some of the doggerel. Some religious denominations tend to be more straitlaced than others. These varying interpretations of obscenity have produced severe and lasting disagreements, even armed confrontations, throughout human history.

Different ideas about obscenity have been known to exacerbate class and religious conflicts. The Puritans against the Stuart monarchs in the British Isles and the peasant revolts in medieval Europe are two examples. Obscenity was a burning issue in such conflicts because the rich had the means and the leisure to act more lasciviously and scandalously than the poor, whose dawn-to-dusk labor left little time for philandering, though much time for envy.

Obscenity, as might be expected, reaches lower depths in multiracial societies than in homogeneous ones. The contrast between the sexual mores of the early Roman Republic and the late Roman Empire offers a clear picture of the animalism that sets in as a society loses its racial core. Compare the moral standards of the United States in the last century to those in the last half of the 20th. The radical decline in moral behavior was highly correlated with the decline in the number and proportion of the British-descended population and the increasing presence and influence of minorities.

An ethnostate would help curb obscenity, for the simple reason that its moral standards would be those of one population group, not several. It is a far easier task to regulate the conduct of a monoracial than a multiracial society.

The Greeks had a word for pornography and devoted much attention to the subject, as have all higher civilizations. What varies over the ages is its quantity and availability. Those few who could afford to visit the bagnios of Shanghai at the turn of the century were able to find as much smut as the masses could find in the “everything goes” Weimar Republic of the 1920s. In the 1980s we could switch to an “adult” channel on cable TV or drive a half-mile or so to the nearest “adult” bookstore to rent or buy a videotape that would make a decadent Roman salivate. Today, pornography is everywhere. Yesterday, it was harder to find, but it was always there.

The current pattern of instant availability applies not just to pornography but to practically all manifestations of the new permissiveness. Drugs in Western countries used to be the vice of the rich. Now large numbers of addicts can be found in the middle and lower classes, including the criminal underclass.

The cliche that any amount of lubricity is acceptable provided it is presented or accomplished artistically does not hold water. When pornography shows up in some form of entertainment or “art” that supposedly has, as the Supreme Court would say, some redeeming social value, the persons exposed to it forget all about the “art” and focus exclusively on the scatological content.

The degree of pornography’s penetration into the collective conscience is a bellwether of decline. The youthful period of a culture generally allows no more than sporadic doses of healthy bawdiness. Perversion is scorned and perverts ridiculed. Signs of cultural aging are apparent in the transformation of poetic drama into prurient mimes, the fate of the theater in Rome. Today, in spite of the dialogue that seems to demand a prescribed number of four-letter words, films and television dramas are hardly more than mimes, with their obligatory nudity and bedroom gambols.

Pornography can never be totally eliminated, sex being the underpinning of all mammalian existence. But history demonstrates time and again that pornography can be contained and controlled, and many of its bad effects avoided, by keeping it out of easy reach. If it is costly, confined to special areas, and obscenity laws are enacted and enforced, it will find a much smaller audience.

A small homogeneous state is better able to control pornography than a large heterogeneous state with larger areas to monitor and a diverse citizenry that cannot agree on the boundaries of obscenity. Peer pressure, which would abound in ethnostates, is a very effective deterrent to aberrant social behavior.

The wave of pornography now flooding the West is only possible because the laws that legalize it and the permissiveness that feeds it have overridden Western cultural restraints and exposed hundreds of millions to the mind-rotting effects of obsessive sexuality. Perhaps obscenity can be best defined as a catalyst of social deterioration.

(Emphasis mine.)


(2021-12-04): [Topic]

I remember Vox Day saying—in a Darkstream back on Periscope—that were he an atheist, he would not marry. Yet, in newer streams he seems to suggest that one ought to marry and have children. Well, were I still an atheist, I’d kill myself immediately, but you know this already. Why, though, this inconsistency despite Vox Day claiming that he carefully watches what he says? Just as with his claim that white genocide does exist if you use the definition of genoicde the UN uses, only to later write—on his blog—that he does not care what globalists like the UN think.

This world is just horrible, I see absolutely no reason to go on living when even smart minds like Vox Day are that sloppy.


(2022-03-16): [Topic]

Would they actually die for their deranged, vulgar views? Most likely not, because death would put an end to their narcissistic, hedonistic and shallow lives. Unlike myself, who would readily take up a classic duell to defend decency and manners — even if I had to die, which would not be that bad, given how men of taste suffer in this Disney world of ours, this ball of fluff it has become.


(2022-07-13): [Topic]

Apart from the fact that Vox Day’s “pleasures” are trite and tacky. Being able to play a musical instrument or to read great works in the original: that would be pleasures I’d be jealous of, not sitting in a Porsche with a woman who, basically, is a hooker. And with whom you most likely have nothing in common except beastly lust.

Also, my father is a loser. Even if good-looking or so-called “high status men” are more attractive to the opposite sex in general, the losers often enough have children, too. Otherwise I would not have to live this horrible life I never asked for, this joke of an existence, with horrible genetics on top.


Brilliant Colombian Catholic reactionary Nicolás Gómez Dávila shared our disgust:

Modern man defends nothing energetically except his right to debauchery.

Progress in the end comes down to stealing from man what ennobles him, in order to sell to him at a cheap price what degrades him.

Whoever abandons himself to his instincts degrades his face as obviously as he degrades his soul.

Men can be divided into those who make their life complicated to gain their soul and those who waste their soul to make their life easier.

Let us be careful not to call accepting what degrades us without any resistance “accepting life.”

Other ages may have been as vulgar as ours, but none had the extraordinary sounding board, the inexorable amplifier, of modern industry.

That which impersonalizes degrades.

Reading the newspaper degrades whomever it does not make into a brute.

The modern world demands that we approve what it should not even dare ask us to tolerate.

What we discover as we age is not the vanity of everything, but of almost everything.

The enemies of the modern world, in the 19th century, could trust in the future.
In this century there only remains bare nostalgia for the past.

The grandiloquence of the messenger tends to be proportional to the insignificance of the message.

Puritanism is the attitude that befits the decent man in the world today.

In the dismal and suffocating building of the world, the cloister is the space open to the sun and to the air.

More so than the immorality of the contemporary world, it is its growing ugliness that moves one to dream of a cloister.

[1]

Who does have many viewpoints worth considering, though his inability to understand that genetics is destiny and that nowadays, average or even ugly men belong to the trash heap in modern society*, not to speak of his over-the-top rhetoric towards single men makes him hard to stomach at times. Not because he’s saying the truth, but because he is stubbornly refusing to accept it. (And don’t get me started on his hierarchy shtick.)

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Vox Day also seems to be friends with a lot of men who clearly are psychopaths, and he does have some of it himself. I think this is true for many who lived or still live a hedonistic lifestyle. A hedonist is someone who only thinks of himself and his own well-being, he uses people for his own pleasure and advantage, then tosses them away, like the sex-obsessed men Vox Day is friends with.

To Stefan Molyneux, he said prior to becoming a Christian, he drove Porsche, wore Gucci and banged international models. I guess he said it to show that he had some of the world’s greatest pleasures or whatever. You would have to pay me, though, to live such a deranged life. I’d simply commit suicide were I not a Christian, no matter what kind of life I could live, for existence is simply horrible and I hated it as an atheist, and I hate it even more as a Christian, but in a different way (we ought to hate our lives).

That Vox Day does have some psychopathic traits may also explain why he does not care at all about peoples’ opinions; to such a degree that one female friend even said that if she did not know him, she’d indeed think that he’s some kind of sociopath. (Source: either one of the many Darkstreams I watched or some blog post or comment by him.)

Also, in a YouTube comment, Joseph S. Edwards or Joseph E. Edwards wrote that he first supported Vox Day, even defending him against criticism by other people, until he agreed and saw him as a psychopath, too. Adding that he may be highly intelligent, but what he lacks is wisdom.

However, I wanted to comment on what Vox Day said in his horrible Darkstream “Men going evil’s way”, which Andy Nowicki, in his response titled “Vox Day swings and misses on MGTOW”, rightly describing it as “typical Vox Day boilerplate slash diatribe”. Nowicki continued, saying that for someone who prides himself on knowing so much, Vox Day has an immature and shallow understanding of celibacy. I remember Nowicki even commenting on his video, now set to private, writing Celibate is celibest.

Regarding what was said in this Darkstream, he claimed that if you do not marry and reproduce you aren’t doing “the one thing you were put on earth to do” (this may actually have been said in another Darkstream, though.)

Still, he did say in his rant against MGTOW that some men are situated so low on the social totem pole, or are so unattractive that they will not find someone to marry them. “Happens”, he added. Then, this horrid sentence: “having a purpose does not mean that one will succeed in fulfilling that purpose.”

What? Vox Day said multiple times that many will not even know what he is talking about. This, though, is utter nonsense. It is sheer insanity. From a Christian standpoint, the purpose could be said to be found in Micah 6:8:

“He hath showed thee, O man, what [is] good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?”

And from the perspective of the unbeliever, there is no meaning or purpose at all. Andy Nowicki, in his response, jokingly remarked that the claim one’s purpose were to marry and reproduce reminded him of the movie They Live with Mel Gibson, where Gibson sees hidden messages when he puts on glasses, including this one on a billboard.

Though I give Vox Day credit for saying one shouldn’t believe everything he says without checking it oneself, or that there is no one with whom you’ll agree completely.
I also remember him saying in a Darkstream, back when he was on Periscope, that he does listen to Mike Cernovich when he talks about the media, because often enough, he’s on point, but he does not listen at all when he’s talking about philosophy. This makes sense, given that Cernovich is an atheist.

I add that being of high intelligence does not mean that each and every word or sentence one utters is intelligent or of high quality. This is the case when it comes to Vox Day’s opinions on marriage, the meaning of life and generally anything that has to do with theology touching on man’s existence and place in the world. At best, when it comes to philosophy Vox Day is good at debating atheists, showing their flaws.