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“Being vulgar is progressive, so stop whining and get with the times.”
Some people answer criticism of the modern world and its cultural, moral
and—especially—sexual decay by saying that “everyone is entitled to his
opinion”, “get over the fact that democracy, our god, decided that
vulgarity and decadence is good and true and beautiful”. After all,
we have free speech, and everyone is allowed to voice his opinion
on all kinds of matters. No matter how qualified the person is.
This is basically the Madonna argument (the pop star).
Just flash it into our faces, force it down our throats, get rid of
even the last ounce of decency left in yourself and double down by
calling your opponents reactionary, puritanical
(which is certainly better than being a pervert), bigoted
or jealous even (how can you be jealous of degeneracy?)
I actually do not have much to reply here. I think everyone who
understands that what once was seen as Christian Western civilization
is decaying and going downhill very fast now should also understand
that this is only because men were too afraid to speak up against
vulgarity and degeneracy.
Had so-called conservatives defended our civilization from
feminism, pornography, moral relativism—going hand in hand with atheism—,
then we would not be in this mess in the first place.
I am, therefore, in complete agreement with
Vox Day* here.
Free speech was implemented to denigrate Christianity and
Christian morality.
It enabled sexual decadence. Debaucherous, vulgar lifestyles are
not only pardoned, they are seen as normal today. Women earning more
than men by having sex on camera gets respected as a career path
among certain people already; men having sexual intercourse with
women and then going to the next is no “big deal” anymore. Even
when it’s your daughter — who wants to be close-minded? Most likely,
their fathers are degenerates too, so why would they care.
One notices that even on the Right, most who are not Christian
still accept sexual decadence: fornication, pre-marital sex,
even “hook-up” and so on. With such allies, one does not need
enemies.
Instead of letting such people sully us and our civilization, why
not put them into penitentiaries or force them onto an island
somewhere where they cannot do much damage? Because what they want
is barbarity.
If they don’t comply, I cannot say that I would shed a tear if
someone put them to death.
Remember: no one forces you to hold onto deranged, vulgar opinions.
Only your evil heart.
To those who claim that I have to endure other peoples’ “opinion”,
usually amounting to nothing more than defending vulgarity without
thinking even once about it; to those who claim that I have no right
to want people to be decent, which would include that they keep their
mouths shut instead of making today’s sick and gross culture even worse
by defending the filth — then what about this:
if I wrote or talked about how I’d really like to molest children,
explaining in detail what I’d do to some poor four-year old child
and people should simply “get with the times”, “stop whining” and
accept my evil, deranged lifestyle — would this be okay, too?
Most likely not, correct, you imbeciles?
Therefore, stop praising sexual promiscuous lifestyles, or do you want
your daughter or a female relative to be used like that? I guess
I’d even disinherit a son if he lived like some sex-obsessed beast.
In the end, it is a might makes right philosophy. If you want
to live like that — good luck. The end result would be that the strongest
one will dominate or kill everyone else. That people defend such a
philosophy … what is there left to say? You cannot even reply anything
here. Some people can’t be helped.
Great point by Samuel T. Francis:
Francis argued that society must regulate “sexual behavior, consensual
or not” whether “through law or through socially enforced moral custom
or both.” He condemned “normalized and unrestricted homosexuality” and
believed that “a ‘society’ that makes no distinction between sex within
marriage and sex outside it, that does not distinguish morally and
socially between continence and debauchery, normality and perversion,
love and lust, is not really a society but merely the chaos of a perpetual
orgy. It is an invitation to just such an orgy that the proponents of
normalized and unrestricted homosexuality invite America.
(Samuel T. Francis, “Sex and consequences”, The Washington Times, February 2, 1993.)
He also notes that chain bookstores “offer exactly the same stock
in every city in the country, almost none of which would have complied
with the conventional and moderate obscenity laws of the 1950s.”
(“Beam Us Out”, Chronicles, April 1994).
Fitting quote by Wilmot Robertson from
The Ethnostate:
Morality vs. Immorality.
One problem with obscenity is the difficulty of pinpointing it.
What is obscene to some is perfectly acceptable to others.
What offends a woman may not bother a man. Laws against
obscenity, which come and go in cycles, vary with time and place.
Once the floodgates of obscenity are open, they are hard to
close. What occurs, naturally and normally, in a barnyard is
obscene in a living room. Barnyard behavior and civilized behavior
are at opposite poles. When they begin to converge, it’s back
to the barnyard.
A few superior men have raised masses of lesser men to almost
superhuman levels. But the strain is so great and the downward
pull of our animal nature so strong that decline and degeneration
quickly set in. From then on it is a march downhill, punctuated
by intermittent eras of partial recovery. Measure the amount
of obscenity, both subrosa and acceptable, at any milestone along
this march, and you will have a fair idea of the society’s
health.
Nearly everyone agrees that children should be protected from
obscenity, but many intellectuals of a liberal bent insist that
almost no limit should be set on what is seen, heard and read by
adults. They reinforce their argument by reminding their critics
it takes only minimal effort not to buy or read an “offensive”
book, switch off the TV or remove their eyes from erotic or
cloacal graffiti. The bitter truth is that huge, salaciously
worded newspaper headlines on display in kiosks and sudden
off-color intrusions in supposedly innocuous TV programs are
visual insults that only the blind can avoid.
One commonly proposed way to regulate obscenity is to apply what
are called community standards. But in a multi-racial state there
are several communities; hence several standards. When it is a
matter of defining the parameters of obscenity, a better and
fairer job can be done by those who share a common culture than by
a potpourri of heterogeneous groups, which are sure to have
contradictory opinions of what does and what does not
“go too far.”
The most troubling thing about obscenity is its power to
coarsen young minds. The adolescent who views the animalistic
cavortings in X-rated films may never have the same opinion of
men and women again. He may never be able to believe in Beatrice,
if he should read Dante, or relish the prim literary masterpieces
of Jane Austen. He has seen men and women acting like beasts.
Once shattered, his Panglossian view of his fellow human beings
may never be recaptured.
Quite possibly the coarsening effect of obscenity gives an
animalistic twist to the human psyche. If it does, then it follows
that unlimited freedom of expression may have actually lowered the
wattage of the idealism that over millennia has given a radiant
glow to human thought. Obscenity is not a black eye that clears up
with time. It is a permanent wound. Some may be nonchalant when
exposed to it. So-called tough hombres may brush it off. But it
leaves a lasting stain. Lurid exhibitions of every form of physical
contact between members of the opposite sex, between members of the
same sex, between old men and young boys — sexual encounters often
spiced with sadism and masochism — have a sharp impact on human
sensitivities. The artistic tastes of men and women assaulted by
daily or weekly exhibitions of hardcore eroticism cannot help but
be corroded. Persons fed highly seasoned food over a period of
time find it hard to return to a bland diet. The widespread
availability of pornographic films, literature and art tends to
make them habit-forming. As we move back or are moved back closer
to the ape, the fragile cocoon of civilization may come completely
undone. Barely suppressed demons are always ready to fly out of
the Pandora’s Box buried in every human being.
By setting high standards of conduct and morality and by outlawing
most manifestations of obscenity, high civilizations can delay the moral
degeneration that inevitably sets in when the tastemakers let down their
guard. As the laws against obscenity fall in abeyance, there will always
be some individuals who will push them to their farthest limits, just as
the drug addict continually increases his dose to obtain his
“high.”
Different races and cultures have different tolerances for obscenity.
In a multiracial society, one or more population groups may indulge
in what members of other population groups would consider impermissible
behavior. Much of black rap is judged obscene by whites fearful of the
outright calls for rape and murder contained in some of the doggerel.
Some religious denominations tend to be more straitlaced than others.
These varying interpretations of obscenity have produced severe and
lasting disagreements, even armed confrontations, throughout human
history.
Different ideas about obscenity have been known to exacerbate class and
religious conflicts. The Puritans against the Stuart monarchs in the
British Isles and the peasant revolts in medieval Europe are two
examples. Obscenity was a burning issue in such conflicts because the
rich had the means and the leisure to act more lasciviously and
scandalously than the poor, whose dawn-to-dusk labor left little time
for philandering, though much time for envy.
Obscenity, as might be expected, reaches lower depths in multiracial
societies than in homogeneous ones. The contrast between the sexual
mores of the early Roman Republic and the late Roman Empire offers
a clear picture of the animalism that sets in as a society loses its
racial core. Compare the moral standards of the United States in the
last century to those in the last half of the 20th. The radical decline
in moral behavior was highly correlated with the decline in the number
and proportion of the British-descended population and the increasing
presence and influence of minorities.
An ethnostate would help curb obscenity, for the simple reason that
its moral standards would be those of one population group, not several.
It is a far easier task to regulate the conduct of a monoracial than a
multiracial society.
The Greeks had a word for pornography and devoted much attention to the
subject, as have all higher civilizations. What varies over the ages is
its quantity and availability. Those few who could afford to visit the
bagnios of Shanghai at the turn of the century were able to find as much
smut as the masses could find in the “everything goes” Weimar Republic
of the 1920s. In the 1980s we could switch to an “adult” channel on cable
TV or drive a half-mile or so to the nearest “adult” bookstore to rent
or buy a videotape that would make a decadent Roman salivate. Today,
pornography is everywhere. Yesterday, it was harder to find, but it was
always there.
The current pattern of instant availability applies not just to
pornography but to practically all manifestations of the new
permissiveness. Drugs in Western countries used to be the vice of the
rich. Now large numbers of addicts can be found in the middle and lower
classes, including the criminal underclass.
The cliche that any amount of lubricity is acceptable provided it
is presented or accomplished artistically does not hold water. When
pornography shows up in some form of entertainment or “art” that
supposedly has, as the Supreme Court would say, some redeeming social
value, the persons exposed to it forget all about the “art” and focus
exclusively on the scatological content.
The degree of pornography’s penetration into the collective
conscience is a bellwether of decline. The youthful period of a culture
generally allows no more than sporadic doses of healthy bawdiness.
Perversion is scorned and perverts ridiculed. Signs of cultural aging
are apparent in the transformation of poetic drama into prurient mimes,
the fate of the theater in Rome. Today, in spite of the dialogue that
seems to demand a prescribed number of four-letter words, films and
television dramas are hardly more than mimes, with their obligatory
nudity and bedroom gambols.
Pornography can never be totally eliminated, sex being the underpinning
of all mammalian existence. But history demonstrates time and again that
pornography can be contained and controlled, and many of its bad effects
avoided, by keeping it out of easy reach. If it is costly, confined to
special areas, and obscenity laws are enacted and enforced, it will find
a much smaller audience.
A small homogeneous state is better able to control pornography than a
large heterogeneous state with larger areas to monitor and a diverse
citizenry that cannot agree on the boundaries of obscenity. Peer
pressure, which would abound in ethnostates, is a very effective
deterrent to aberrant social behavior.
The wave of pornography now flooding the West is only possible
because the laws that legalize it and the permissiveness that feeds it
have overridden Western cultural restraints and exposed hundreds of
millions to the mind-rotting effects of obsessive sexuality. Perhaps
obscenity can be best defined as a catalyst of social deterioration.
(Emphasis mine.)
I remember Vox Day saying—in a Darkstream back on Periscope—that
were he an atheist, he would not marry. Yet, in newer streams he seems
to suggest that one ought to marry and have children. Well, were I
still an atheist, I’d kill myself immediately, but you know this already.
Why, though, this inconsistency despite Vox Day claiming that he carefully
watches what he says? Just as with his claim that white genocide does
exist if you use the definition of genoicde the UN uses, only to
later write—on his blog—that he does not care what globalists like the UN
think.
This world is just horrible, I see absolutely no reason to go on
living when even smart minds like Vox Day are that sloppy.
Would they actually die for their deranged, vulgar views? Most likely
not, because death would put an end to their narcissistic, hedonistic
and shallow lives. Unlike myself, who would readily take up a classic
duell to defend decency and manners — even if I had to die, which
would not be that bad, given how men of taste suffer in this
Disney world of ours, this ball of fluff it has become.
Apart from the fact that Vox Day’s “pleasures” are trite and tacky. Being
able to play a musical instrument or to read great works in the
original: that would be pleasures I’d be jealous of, not sitting
in a Porsche with a woman who, basically, is a hooker. And with whom
you most likely have nothing in common except beastly lust.
Also, my father is a loser. Even if good-looking or so-called “high
status men” are more attractive to the opposite sex in general, the
losers often enough have children, too. Otherwise I would not have
to live this horrible life I never asked for, this joke of an
existence, with horrible genetics on top.
Brilliant Colombian Catholic reactionary Nicolás Gómez Dávila shared
our disgust:
Modern man defends nothing energetically except his right to
debauchery.
Progress in the end comes down to stealing from man what ennobles
him, in order to sell to him at a cheap price what degrades him.
Whoever abandons himself to his instincts degrades his face as
obviously as he degrades his soul.
Men can be divided into those who make their life complicated to
gain their soul and those who waste their soul to make their life easier.
Let us be careful not to call accepting what degrades us without
any resistance “accepting life.”
Other ages may have been as vulgar as ours, but none had the
extraordinary sounding board, the inexorable amplifier, of modern industry.
That which impersonalizes degrades.
Reading the newspaper degrades whomever it does not make into a brute.
The modern world demands that we approve what it should not even dare
ask us to tolerate.
What we discover as we age is not the vanity of everything, but of
almost everything.
The enemies of the modern world, in the 19th century, could
trust in the future.
In this century there only remains bare nostalgia for the past.
The grandiloquence of the messenger tends to be proportional to the
insignificance of the message.
Puritanism is the attitude that befits the decent man in the world
today.
In the dismal and suffocating building of the world, the cloister is
the space open to the sun and to the air.
More so than the immorality of the contemporary world, it is its growing
ugliness that moves one to dream of a cloister.